Date: Fri, 28 Jul 1995 16:09:50 -0400 From: Craig Peterson To: firearms-alert@shell.portal.com Subject: [bglover@netcom.com: NRATV summary 7/26/95] From: bglover@netcom.com (William Glover) Subject: NRATV summary 7/26/95 To: craig@Mainstream.com Date: Fri, 28 Jul 1995 16:48:12 +0000 (GMT) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- NRA-TV broadcast summary ... This summary is prepared by William L. Glover, in the spirit of the volunteer service to the internet community ... bglover@netcom.com Background... NRA-TV is the official NRA TV channel. NRA bills it as the weekly magazine of news and views for gun owners. NRA-TV is on Galaxy 7 transponder 20 at 10:00 PM EST, broadcast weekly on Wednesday. The network that NRA-TV is on is called NET(National Empowerment TV), the phone number is 800-NET-5555 or 202-544-3200. The NRA pays NET for the broadcast time to air NRA-TV as an affiliate broadcaster. The funds for the show come from the NRA/ILA. I my opinion this is the best thing the NRA has ever done to bring the RKBA out of the shadows and to the public. Please support the NRA-TV show by phoning contribution to NRA/ILA at 1-800-392-8683 or mail contributions to NRA/ILA 11250 Waples Mill Road, Fairfax VA 22030. NET is a non-profit TV network and will gladly accept donations at 1-800-5000-NET. AND THEY LISTEN...NRA-TV has an internet e-mail address, NET@NRA.org for feedback on the show. Drop Mrs. Tanya Metaksa a line with your comments. My editorial comments are in brackets[]. This is a summary report, not a verbatim transcription. Archives of these summaries are available from; world wide web at http://www.portal.com/~chan/nra/tv/ or via ftp at ftp://ftp.shell.portal.com/pub/chan/nra/tv/ Want more RKBA info - point your browser at //http://www.portal.com/~chan/ - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- INTRODUCTION SEGMENT... Tony Makris ... Waco hearings, day 5. Political posturing and sleight of hand abounds. Both parties seem guilty of using the hearings as a political stage instead of search for the facts. Ginny Simone...Waco day 5. Federal agents claim it didn't happen the way the Koresh attorneys said it did. But conflicting testimony is all through the hearings. Agent Jamar admits that the final attack plane was in place when the offer to surrender was received by the Koresh attorneys. Jamar said he did not believe the surrender agreement that Koresh had made. The Branch Davidians were using 'canons' so says the testimony. When in fact it was just 223 rifles. When you consider that 61 agents told the Texas Rangers that the Davidians were aware of the impending first attack, you wonder why the first attack went forward in the first place. Isn't there some leadership accountability policy against leading your 'troops' into a known ambush situation? [Geesh, you would think so, or are the commanders of these dynamic entry fiascoes really that stupid?] Tonight's main story: Waco. Tony Makris and Ginny Simone joined by ... Dave Hardy, Attorney at Law - between the Democrats obfuscation of the material evidence and the Republican incompetence, nothing appears to be coming out of the hearings. Simone: There seemed to be an actual 'plan to destroy the evidence' of the crime scene. [In fact the Texas Rangers testified they had voiced their objections about destroying the crime scene to their higher ups. Nothing became of their objections.] Discussion about the lousy testimony, factual omissions and lack of good questions from the Republican side. Discussion of bickering and in-fighting between the various federal agencies and different commanders on the scene during the siege. Makris:(reciting some of the testimony) we just want to know. Simone: The tanks were rammed into the building to allow the children to come out. Hardy: This is ridiculous. The ramming of the building was destroying the building, and if anything, the ramming was impeding the ability of the people inside to exit. The CS gas would have rendered the people incapable of clear thinking and make it difficult to find ways out. No tear gas mask fits a small child, so the children were in danger from the start. - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- PHONE CALLS FROM VIEWERS SEGMENT... Caller:...I just joined the NRA, great magazine, love the show. Can you tell me how many people died? Answer:...Simone: The numbers are all over the place. Don't know why. Caller:...What is coming out is the federal officers had the right to be there. I believe the BD brought this on themselves. Answer:...Makris - I think you are right, the BD broke laws, and some laws the BATF had jurisdiction over. So if you assume Koresh did all this - how do you cover the children? How do you overlook the precipitous act which resulted in the deaths of the children that were ostensibly being protected. Makris: Brewster asked, what would have been lost by waiting 30 days, or 45 days, just what would have been lost?[IMHO - nothing but a little money] Hardy: If they had just left them sit there, it is highly likely that at a minimum a few more people would have been saved. Simone: McCollum made it clear that there was a lot of dissension among the people in charge of the final attack. Makris: Every federal agent says they were there to prevent further loss of life. All the people died. So tell us, what went wrong, what was the problem. Caller:...First I am sorry for the agents who died. But the testimony said the Davidians were using 'canons'. What were the agents armed with? Answer:...Makris: If they thought Koresh had 50 cal machine guns, then why did they have 'only nine mm handguns? Hardy: They knew Koresh knew they were coming, what moron sent these agents into the 'ambush'? Simone: It makes no sense. You just got to wonder what was going on. They are supposed to be trained to do this. Makris: They say the BDs had grenades, 50 cal machine guns and a bunch of full auto weapons, and you go in with nine mm handguns? [And they knew we were coming - Can you say bad leadership lapse?] More discussion of why the attack went forward when the surprise element was lost. The ridiculous aspects of the imbalance of armaments. Caller:...I think most Americans want an admission of something went wrong. What do you expect will come out of this. Answer:...Simone: Just have to wait and see. Caller:...I have seen some ugly American, but some of these questioners are the ugliest of the ugly. This Schumer is pushing for a national police force. Even the Rangers spoke up against this at length. The government is there to protect the people and their freedoms. Answer:...no comment. Hardy: I wonder what the local police would have done? The local police seem much more interested in making arrests instead of doing the 'dynamic entry'. There is a lot of difference between training for assaults and training to make arrests. It is troublesome the feds, and the BATF in particular, had the mind set of assault rather than arrest in the BD case. Simone: The people calling in are saying - please tell us what happened. Tell us the truth. Makris: I will say it a again. Why did all those children have to die. Why? Caller:...Why is the majority on the hearing committee not cutting through the baloney and getting to the facts? In particular, the child abuse is not BATF related jurisdiction. Answer:...Simone: If the reason the BATF went in was the children there is a jurisdiction problem. Caller:...My husband is from the Army and the tear gas CS is not normal tear gas. CN is normal tear gas, do you know what was used? Answer:...Makris: Your description is right, CS was used and is a very strong tear gas. Hardy: CS breaks down into ammonia when it combines with moisture, like in the lungs, and it causes violent choking symptoms. It can inflict chemical pneumonia. Simone: The LA officer testified that he had used CS over 100 times, and it doesn't kill. But the follow up question, have you used CS on children he answered no.[But later he was forced to admit, it had never been used on children or infants.] Caller:...I still have not seen a real accounting of, or factual evidence relating to, the guns found. I did see the news footage and the agents had AR-15s and what looked like MP5s as well as pistols. They were well armed from what I saw, and not 'under gunned' as stated. Answer:...Hardy: Some of the BATF sniper back ups had AR15s. Caller:...I agree, Koresh was a bad guy and should be arrested. But, I think the issue of illegal arms is important. I hear of the 50 cal machine guns, but I have seen no evidence. Answer:...Makris: The BATF is not going to let anyone look at the guns, so you are just going to have to take their word for it. Hardy: The BD did have at least one 50 cal Barret[semi-auto 5 shot clip, I saw the photo] Caller:...I expect the liberal media to rename the BATF, alcohol, tobacco, firearms and child abuse agency. But child abuse is a state issue. Answer:...Simone: True. Hardy: The reason the BATF wanted to be the lead agency is that it was to be a major headline operation to help get more funding. Makris: This is kind of shocking. Hardy: I asked when the BATF appropriations was coming up and I finally got the answer, it was 9 days after the first raid. They got 4 agents killed over this. The whole thing looked like a show. Caller:...I hear the NRA is help staff the hearings. What is the NRA doing? Answer:...We provided written information to the hearing committee. There is absolutely nothing wrong with anyone or any person writing to the hearing committee, or to any member of congress on any matter. It is Constitutionally proper to petition Congress on any topic. Makris: All you have to do is look at the Thomas and Bork hearings to see the left doing this. Caller:...I got a whiff of CS gas at a demo and it is awful stuff. I saw the original clip of the roof attack and saw the agent get up after the roof shooting, but when you see it now, you see only the apparent wounding of the agent then the TV news stops, leaving an impression which is not correct. Answer:...Makris: Yes, I have seen the full video clip and it shows the agent getting up and retreating - apparently unhurt. [I have an original news footage tape, and saw it on the satellite in it's entirety recently - after the bullets came through the wall, he did get up scamper down the ladder, and he did run back to cover. Classic example of TV footage edited tight to tell the public "all they need to know."] More discussions, summarizing what went on so far at the hearings. End show... Back to watching the hearings - if you can find them. - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill .... bglover@netcom.com ======================================================================= Being a citizen is a full-time job. If we wish to reclaim our rights, we first must begin by reclaiming our responsibilities. More News and Comment: Waco is the topic of the week, except for the OJ infatuated liberal media, who are doing their 'liberal best' to spike the Waco story. IMHO - none of this had to happen. Proper law enforcement actions would have prevented this fiasco. Treasury Secretary Bentsen apparently didn't know about the raid until after it occurred, while the Davidians knew about it before it started. The Waco hearings are producing a picture of careless, reckless and unaccountable federal law enforcement activity. No matter what Koresh or any other adult did, the children that died in the fire precipitated by the final federal attack, were guilty of nothing. Children cannot form criminal intent. Where is the accoutability for this fiasco? Question; Why did the Attorney General deny the approval of the final attack plan on April 16 and then approve it on April 17? Who intervened? All I want to know is what happened at Waco. ======================================================================= To get public key - ftp ftp.netcom.com; cd /pub/bg/bglover; file nratv.zip -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBMBkQmhtLY5O5c0BdAQFagQQAzmNblszdzYR9v95PfC3Cp6k0LdsxRONM FnuW22M71Be/v5cZ0r6k5b8QhkXgw/6IHJij602S2VZG5cURLSXl2vqMKcHxa0GY W4xnrShD6R7vmrMjd9Mm8yZqogsdBXswslH7PVRMT4qMi4nftqKFcykPSyMv0r8i IUnHpRg1r4k= =oPLd -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----