From latzko@ns1.rutgers.edu Thu Dec 9 06:40:05 1993 Received: from portal.unix.portal.com by jobe (4.1/1.34) id AA12458; Thu, 9 Dec 93 06:40:05 PST Received: from demon by portal.unix.portal.com (1.881) id AA02547; Thu, 9 Dec 93 06:40:04 -0800 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com by demon.corp.portal.com (4.1/ 1.20) id AA15307; Thu, 9 Dec 93 06:39:40 PST Received: by nova.unix.portal.com (5.65b/4.1 1.579) id AA24516; Thu, 9 Dec 93 06:40:02 -0800 Received: by ns1.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.5/3.08) id AA05947; Thu, 9 Dec 93 09:31:19 EST Received: from wuvmd.wustl.edu by ns1.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.5/3.08) id AA05937; Thu, 9 Dec 93 09:31:13 EST Message-Id: <9312091431.AA05937@ns1.rutgers.edu> Received: from WUVMD by WUVMD.Wustl.Edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R1) with BSMTP id 3794; Thu, 09 Dec 93 08:31:55 CST Received: from WUVMD (C08926RC) by WUVMD (Mailer R2.07) with BSMTP id 8993; Thu, 09 Dec 93 08:31:54 CST Date: Thu, 09 Dec 93 08:31:17 CST From: Rob Subject: Shumer To: firearms-politics@ns1.rutgers.edu Status: RO Forgive me if this has been posted already - haven't read my mail yet... Congressman Shumer plans to introduce a bill to Congress when they are back in session. Among the things it will include are a national gun buyer's ID card to be issued to gun owners after passing a background check and perhaps a proficiency test; a one-handgun-a-month-purchase law; stricter licensing for gun dealers; prohibit dealers from selling anywhere except their place of business (no more gun shows), and to track the transfers of handguns after the initial sale. Time to send a check to NRA-ILA... Rob From latzko@ns1.rutgers.edu Thu Dec 9 07:01:34 1993 Received: from portal.unix.portal.com by jobe (4.1/1.34) id AA12813; Thu, 9 Dec 93 07:01:33 PST Received: from demon by portal.unix.portal.com (1.881) id AA03141; Thu, 9 Dec 93 07:01:32 -0800 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com by demon.corp.portal.com (4.1/ 1.20) id AA15352; Thu, 9 Dec 93 07:01:08 PST Received: by nova.unix.portal.com (5.65b/4.1 1.579) id AA26988; Thu, 9 Dec 93 07:01:27 -0800 Received: by ns1.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.5/3.08) id AA06327; Thu, 9 Dec 93 09:53:06 EST Received: from xring.cs.umd.edu by ns1.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.5/3.08) id AA06317; Thu, 9 Dec 93 09:53:04 EST Received: by xring.cs.UMD.EDU (5.64/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AA20606; Thu, 9 Dec 93 09:53:02 -0500 Date: Thu, 9 Dec 93 09:53:02 -0500 From: purtilo@cs.umd.edu (Jim Purtilo) Message-Id: <9312091453.AA20606@xring.cs.UMD.EDU> To: firearms-politics@ns1.rutgers.edu Subject: synopsis of new bill pushing for gun control Status: RO Just a quickie from the Washington : its no longer just Clinton asking the Anti-Christ^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H Janet Reno to consider feasibility. Our friend Schumer with Jim Brady (who "members of Congress can look forward to still see wheeling up and down the halls pressing for real gun control") is out making a real bill for congress to consider. The quick list of features is: -- handgun rationing, one per month at the start -- national ID card for firearm owner -- card issued contingent upon passing federal safety check -- some obscure contingency upon medical check, (I assume a mental health check of some kind? Great catch-22 there: "The patient says he likes guns." "Oh, he must be crazy, deny him....") -- extra tax on handguns and ammo -- ban on high capacity assault weapons, now defined to be anything of capacity greater than SIX rounds. Clinton said publically he supports this measure and wants to see it considered as soon as possible. Bend over, chillins' .... From latzko@ns1.rutgers.edu Thu Dec 9 13:15:07 1993 Received: from portal.unix.portal.com by jobe (4.1/1.34) id AA29879; Thu, 9 Dec 93 13:15:06 PST Received: from demon by portal.unix.portal.com (1.881) id AA26796; Thu, 9 Dec 93 13:15:05 -0800 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com by demon.corp.portal.com (4.1/ 1.20) id AA16472; Thu, 9 Dec 93 13:14:44 PST Received: by nova.unix.portal.com (5.65b/4.1 1.579) id AA26592; Thu, 9 Dec 93 13:15:02 -0800 Received: by ns1.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.5/3.08) id AA27154; Thu, 9 Dec 93 16:02:15 EST Received: from sugar.NeoSoft.COM by ns1.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.5/3.08) id AA27143; Thu, 9 Dec 93 16:02:09 EST Received: by sugar.NeoSoft.COM id AA11023 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for firearms-politics@ns1.rutgers.edu); Thu, 9 Dec 1993 15:01:03 -0600 Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1993 15:01:03 -0600 From: Lee King Message-Id: <199312092101.AA11023@sugar.NeoSoft.COM> To: firearms-politics@ns1.rutgers.edu Subject: Crime Issues on C/SPAN Status: RO I am watching C/SPAN as I type this; President Clinton and some mayors and police chiefs are having some sort of love fest over the Crime Bill. Here are some of the things the Mayor of Denver (spokesman for the mayors there) is asking for: Ban on hollow point and armored piercing bullets Ban on assault weapons Extension of Brady Bill to /all\ firearms Extension of BB to /all\ transfers Registration of all guns Substantial registration fees Reduction of number of FFL holders Greatly increased fees for FFLs Fingerprints and photos of all FFL holders Ruben Ortega, Salt Lake City police chief, is asking for more federal funds, for Clinton to follow through on his promise of 100,000 more cops, and a "comlete restructuring of the criminal justice system." Inroads made against NRA Momentum building up against NRA Jerry Abramson, Mayor of Louisville, KN. and head of the National Conference of Mayors: Wants raising of issue of violence in America to #1 issue in country More gun control More money More legislation on drugs, ATF, DEA, guns, etc People now interested in gun control who weren't before. Call for significant change by people. Movements afoot at local level for additional police (and for gun control?). Number one issue is additional police officers on street. More from Wellington Webb, Mayor of Denver (Task Force Chairman): Mayors, Police chiefs and President to lobby Congress for Crime Bill Overtime for cops Abramson -- Increase taxes on guns and ammunition -- Moynahan Bill called good position to support. At least 50% tax wanted. Sorry if this is fragmented, but I can only type so fast! 8-) Looks like we have our work cut out for us. Lee From ca-firearms-request@shell.portal.com Thu Dec 9 14:00:05 1993 Received: by jobe (4.1/1.34) id AA01584; Thu, 9 Dec 93 13:57:46 PST Errors-To: ca-firearms-request@shell.portal.com Sender: ca-firearms-request@shell.portal.com Precedence: bulk Received: from nova.unix.portal.com by jobe (4.1/1.34) id AA01579; Thu, 9 Dec 93 13:57:44 PST Received: by nova.unix.portal.com (5.65b/4.1 1.580) id AA03663; Thu, 9 Dec 93 13:57:44 -0800 Received: by mailgate.prod.aol.net (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA15944; Thu, 9 Dec 93 16:56:40 -0500 From: searchlite@aol.com X-Mailer: America Online Mailer Errors-To: Message-Id: <9312091656.tn20629@aol.com> To: ca-firearms@shell.portal.com Date: Thu, 09 Dec 93 16:56:40 EST Subject: More on Clinton and guns Status: RO The following article posted Thu 12/9/93 in the Mercury Center area of America Online: WASHINGTON -- President Clinton told American mayors and police chiefs today that violent crime is ''changing everyone's lives in ways that are quite destructive'' and the nation must consider strong new means to combat it. ''The American people are tired of hurting and tired of feeling insecure and tired of the violence,'' Clinton told officials from 35 cities. ''We have to move, and I think we are prepared to move.'' President Clinton on Wednesday said he was considering a plan to license and test gun buyers, like car drivers, to slow the surge of violent crimes such as Tuesday's massacre on a New York commuter train. The president also said a ban on high-capacity ammunition clips in semiautomatic weapons pending in Congress might have prevented Tuesday's nightmare, in which a man opened fire in a commuter train on the Long Island Rail Road, ultimately killing five people and wounding 18. Such a ban was attached to the 1993 crime bill by Sen. Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif., and passed the Senate last month. The House is expected to vote on it in the spring. At lunch with a group of reporters on Wednesday, Clinton noted that the gunman used a 9mm handgun that held 15 rounds in a single clip. ''That rapid-fire gun is a pretty good argument'' for legislation forbidding the manufacture or possession of weapons that can shoot more than 10 bullets without reloading, he said. Clinton said he had asked Attorney General Janet Reno to study a suggestion by the Republican mayor-elect of New York, Rudolph Giuliani, that the federal government or the states establish strict licensing and training programs for gun buyers. The Republican mayor of Los Angeles, Richard Riordan, has made a similar suggestion. Reno said today that she strongly supports a licensing test of individuals to show they can safely and lawfully use a gun. ''I think it should be at least as hard to get a license to possess a gun as it is to drive an automobile,'' Reno said at her weekly Justice Department news conference. Reno said there should be procedures for the revocation of the license if individuals demonstrate they cannot safely or lawfully use a gun and stiff penalties for those who possess a gun, but do not have a license. ''You shouldn't have a gun unless you know how to safely and lawfully use it,'' Reno said in her strongest comments yet on the the issue. ''It comes back to a common sense approach to guns.'' She said a licensing system would result in a ''better chance'' of keeping guns out of the hands of potential criminals, but she acknowledged it may not be possible ''to identify (all) first-time criminals.'' Reno said she does not support gun registration or other proposals that would limit the number of guns available. The president said he had not taken a formal position on Giuliani's proposal but was awaiting the results of Reno's study. He said he ''will look at all options in a comprehensive approach'' to the gun problem, including a possible amnesty for people who turn in illegal weapons. The National Rifle Association, which has long opposed handgun restrictions, said any licensing ban would be easily avoided by criminals and would fall most heavily on law-abiding gun owners. Louisville Mayor Jerry Abramson, president of the U.S. Conference of Mayors, told Clinton today that violent crime has reached epidemic proportions. ''People in our cities are demanding action,'' Abramson said before presenting Clinton with a task force report on violence from the mayors' conference. Salt Lake City Police Chief Ruben Ortega told Clinton that people have ''reached the level of utter dismay and fear,'' causing Americans to think their only course is to arm themselves. The mayors' task force report called for ''immediate action on a comprehensive package of gun control,'' establishment of more job corps centers, and a nationwide computer data system that included information on gang membership and narcotics traffickers. The task force applauded efforts by Clinton to win congressional approval of legislation to help put 100,000 more police officers on the nation's streets -- but asked for additional funds to allow local police departments to pay officers overtime and to buy new equipment. Clinton told the mayors the public was demanding strong action against crime and added that, ''I think we can do something.'' ''It's changing everyone's lives in ways that are quite destructive,'' Clinton told his audience in the Indian Treaty Room of the Old Executive Office Building. On Wednesday, Rep. Charles Schumer, D-N.Y., a prime sponsor of the Brady bill, proposed stiff new gun-control legislation, similar to Giuliani's plan, which is backed by many mayors and police chiefs. ''We once had zones of peace and safety in our lives,'' Schumer said. ''Handgun violence has taken them all away from us.'' The Schumer package, backed by Jim and Sarah Brady and Handgun Control Inc., the advocacy group they head, would require handgun buyers to submit to a fingerprint check, take safety training and undergo a seven-day ''cooling off period'' before purchase. Jim Brady, the former White House press secretary for whom the Brady bill was named, has used a wheelchair since 1981, when he was shot by a gunman who wounded President Reagan in an assassination attempt. With public pressure for more controls mounting, a Los Angeles Times poll released Wednesday found that since enactment of the Brady bill, 64 percent of Americans still think gun control laws are not strong enough, while only 7 percent say they are too strong and 24 percent find them adequate. In another development, the American Medical Association, many of whose members have long opposed gun control, adopted a sweeping new policy statement favoring tighter curbs on the sale and ownership of firearms.