Here are 4 articles pertaining to the July 9, 1993 defensive shooting that stopped an attempted mass murder in Las Vegas. I have two different versions of the first (headline) article, one from the Final Home Edition and one apparently from an earlier edition, both dated July 9, 1993. The earlier headline article is presented first; the later version is presented last. Following the first version of the headline article is a background article also dated July 9, 1993. Third is a follow-up article probably from July 11. Last is the July 9 Final Home Edition headline article which is slightly condensed from the earlier edition, but also contains some additional info. 1. early July 9 headline article 2. July 9 background article (identical in early & late editions) 3. July 11 follow up article 4. Final Home Edition July 9 headline article Everything is typed by hand; any errors are mine except errors in the originals marked with [sic]. I attempted to preserve all line and page breaks and proofread all at least once. My comments and notes are in [brackets]. Note also that the July 9 articles appear to have the good guy's name wrong; the later July 11 article has his last name spelled Kincer, not Kinser as in the earlier articles. __ Initial comment: following only one week after the San Francisco law office shooting, I think this attempted Las Vegas mass murder makes a strong case for Concealed Carry Reform. With even one person able to use a gun for defense, the outcome of this potential massacre was very different. If more people were legally armed, mass shootings would be deterred or stopped. If it saves two dozen lives or just one, it's worth it. -- Jeff C. Reprinted by permission of the Las Vegas Review-Journal. ____ Las Vegas Review-Journal July 9, 1993 Page 1A [Photo of handcuffed bad guy, blood covering his face, on gurney being put into ambulance and separate photo of his truck inside building & surrounded by smashed office furniture with caption:] A handcuffed Jim H. Forrester, above, who went on a shooting rampage Thursday at the Las Ve- gas offices of the state workers' compensation system, is loaded into an ambulance. He was in seri- ous condition after being wounded in the head by a security guard during a shootout at the State In- dustrial Insurance System building on West Charleston Boulevard. Forrester drove his Chevrolet Suburban, shown from above, through glass and wooden walls before running over desks, comput- ers and filing cabinets in SIIS of- fices. Terrified employees and claimants hid under desks and be- hind partitions during the shooting spree. [photo credits: Jeff Schied (ambulance), Wayne C. Kodey (truck inside SIIS building), both photographers from the Review-Journal] Gunman targets SIIS Attacker wounded during rampage Employees and agency claimants escape from the Las Vegas building one man compared to a battle zone. By Natalie Patton and Jeff Burbank Review-Journal A man armed with a 12-gauge shotgun, a 9 mm handgun and a grudge against the state workers' compensation agency plowed his sport utility vehicle through a front window of the State Industrial Insur- ance System offices in Las Vegas on Thursday and sprayed gunfire into a crowd. The shooting ended when a bullet fired by an SIIS security officer struck the forehead of disgruntled claimant Jim H. Forrester, who recently had his SIIS benefits cancelled. No one else was wounded during the shooting rampage, Las Vegas police said. The 57-year-old Forrester, his face covered with blood and his wrists locked in handcuffs, was wheeled past a nervous crowd into an ambulance waiting to take him to University Medical Center. He was listed in serious but stable condition, hospi- tal officials said. The wounded man, described by hospital officials as awake and talking when he ar- rived, was scheduled to undergo surgery Thursday night. Las Vegas police Deputy Chief John Sullivan said Forrester walked through the front door of the SIIS building at 1700 W. Charleston Blvd. about 3:40 p.m. and fired one round before exiting. Before the gunman left, witness Edward James said, Forrester yelled, "You've got two minutes to get out of the (expletive) building -- I'm not kidding." Sullivan said Forrester threatened the life of secu- rity chief Curt Kinser, a former Las Vegas police officer who outside attempted to disarm the gunman. Forrester then got into his white Chevrolet Suburban and crashing [sic] it through glass and into the SIIS lobby. Forrester blasted his vehicle through thin wooden walls into SIIS offices and continued driving wildly and firing at walls and toward onlookers. Kinser "saved the day on the whole operation," said Sullivan. "It was a fantastic act of bravery. I shudder to think what would have happened if this man was not stopped. "There would have been dead bodies around here, if it weren't for Chief Kinser." Forrester turned left into a hallway, plowing through desks and filing cabinets in a 250-foot path. The gunman came to a stop after ramming into a western wall. He backed up and was shot when he looked out his window, Sullivan said. The truck smashed into partitions, computers and potted ficus trees before coming to a halt adjacent to the building's mail room and employee break room. Sullivan said Forrester fired numerous times at Kinser before the security officer shot him with a .38- caliber pistol. "I fired three rounds. I had one round left when I hit him. I'm the luckiest son of a bitch you've ever met," said Kinser, who served for 17 years as a Metropoli- tan Police Department officer. A SIIS rehabilitation counselor picked up Forres- ter's shotgun and held it on him until police arrived. About 400 SIIS employees were evacuated from the building, SIIS officials said. [page break:] Please see SHOOTING/3A [photo of distraught woman, credited to Jeff Schied, with caption:] Irma Hernandez, an SIIS receptionist tells of the terror that forced her to crawl under her desk to escape gunfire during a shooting rampage Thursday at the West Charleston Boulevard offices. "It looks like a battle zone down there," SIIS Assistant Gen- eral Manager Jim Spinello said after Forrester was led from the building. "Files, furniture, office equipment are laying all over, and there's a truck there." Police later learned Forrester's arms cache included two bando- leers strapped to his chest to hold ammunition, a rifle and a 380 semiautomatic pistol. The attack comes a week after a former Las Vegas businessman went on a rampage in a San Francisco office tower, killing eight people and himself. Gian Luigi Ferri, who ran a land development business in Las Vegas, used two guns he bought in Southern Nevada in the attack at a law office. Forrester "had plenty of weap- onry," Sullivan said. "It was pret- ty obvious he came here to do as much damage and harm as he could." Sullivan added, "I've been working for Metro for 34 years -- I've seen mass murders, but I've never seen this much devastation and this many human lives in jeopardy." James said Forrester "had a pistol and a shotgun and he just kept firing them." "He rammed through the win- dow and smashed desks and fil- ing cabinets and whatever else he could with his truck." James added that Kinser tried to reason with the gunman before shooting him. "I would say there were 15 shots," said Ed Higginbotham, an SIIS executive. "He came in with the truck, firing all over, from the lobby to the end of the hall. He was shooting at people." Higginbotham said he was in his second-floor office when he heard suddenly heard [sic] "guns fir- ing and glass shattering. I heard the screams and I got on the phone and called 911." "The first thing we heard was a shot and then a blast," said Spin- ello. "It was a miracle that no one was hurt." SIIS employees began scream- ing and running from the lobby after Forrester entered the build- ing the first time. Some workers knocked out windows on the first floor rear of the building to get out. SIIS employee Craig Martin said he helped at least six fellow workers out a broken window be- fore escaping. Some SIIS claims examiners, including a man in a wheelchair, were trapped for a few moments by the debris. A man with a heart condition, who was waiting for his wife, an SIIS employee, to fin- ish work, was treated by para- medics at the scene. Forrester's distraught wife and daughter, who arrived after the gunman was taken into custody, were treated at Valley Hospital Medical Center, an ambulance service spokeswoman said. SIIS General Manager James Kropid, who started his job June 21, was in Carson City during the incident and left for Las Vegas Thursday afternoon to return to the office. Kropid, a former telephone company executive, was named by Gov. Bob Miller to lead the financially troubled workers' compensation system, which faces a $2.2 billion long-term un- funded debt. Miller, who will visit the offices today, said, "I have been in con- stant contact with the SIIS offices in Las Vegas. My number one concern is the safety of the em- ployees. "Apparently the actions of an SIIS employee in protecting his fellow workers were truly heroic." Scott Young, SIIS general counsel, said Forrester, an elec- trician, "has a claim with us and several weeks ago there was a dispute. "We thought we had resolved it by working through his attor- ney," Young said. "Apparently we finaled (stopped) his compen- sation, found him no longer eligi- ble for temporary total disability. That might have triggered it, but there has got to be something more." Sullivan said Forrester a five- year claimant with back troubles, has been uncooperative with SIIS officials. SIIS officials said very little damage had been done to the files and that the computer system es- caped harm. Today's benefit checks will go out as scheduled, they said. Review-Journal writers Warren Bates and Jane Ann Morrison and Donrey Capital Bureau chief Ed Vogel contrib- uted to this report. [end of headline article] _____ [Here is the second article from page 3A of the July 9, 1993 Las Vegas Review-Journal; it is identical in both early and late July 9 editions.] Security chief forced to act fast Curt Kinser rips open a locker to get a weapon by Jeff Burbank Review-Journal A security chief who shot a rampaging gunman Thursday was initially unarmed and had to break into the locker of a private security guard to get a gun. Curt Kinser, head of security and a fraud investigator for the State Industrial Insurance Sys- tem, worked for the Metropolitan Police Department for 17 years before taking his current job four years ago. The SIIS building at 1700 W. Charleston Blvd. is without armed guards between 8 a.m. and 5 p.m. Mondays through Fridays, he said. The rest of the time, the building is patrolled by armed Pinkerton security officers. When Jim H. Forrester -- armed with four guns -- drove a 1990 Chevrolet Suburban with personalized license plates that read "HERS 2" through the front entrance of the building and started firing into the walls, Kinser said he remembered that one of the Pinkerton guards keeps a .38-caliber pistol in a locker. He said he rushed into the se- urity office. "I tore open the (locker's) door, gave it a firm yank," Kinser said. Forrester, 57, of Las Vegas drove the four-wheel drive Subur- ban 250 feet into the west wing of the SIIS building, crashing into a side entrance. Apparently trying to leave through the front entrance, he backed up the truck. That's when the gunfight began. By then, Kinser said, "I was laying on the ground. He fired the shotgun at me. It went over me. He was leaning out of the truck, emptying the magazine of a ... pistol at me. He told me to drop my gun, I told him to drop his. I fired three rounds. I hit him with the fourth round, I had one round left when I hit him. "The weapon I was using was unfamiliar. It had only five rounds. If I had missed him, with his shotgun, it would have been terrible. "I'm the luckiest son of a bitch you've ever met." During the tense scene, about 150 people were huddled behind office partitions. "I don't really consider it hero- ic. It's part of the job, like I did with Metro," Kinser said. "The main thing was to make sure no- body got hurt." The suspect had fired about 10 shots at him, Kinser said. "When I ran over, he was still conscious, and he asked me not to break his glasses. When I had cuffed him, he asked me to sit him up, so he wouldn't have to lie down. Then Metro arrived." While a police officer in 1984, Kinser shot a man on PCP who was attempting to stab an apart- ment manager. Because of the drugs, the man just kept coming at him, Kinser said, until other officers arrived and subdued him. Review-Journal writer Jane Ann Morri- son contributed to this report. [end of second article.] [Comments: the bad guy could have killed a lot more people with his truck, by the sound of it. If we follow the gun- banners' illogic, perhaps vehicles over 4,000 pounds should be banned, or those with 4-wheel drive. I also liked the line "Then Metro arrived." By the time the police showed up dozens could have been killed with truck or gun. Also note that Kinser was not initially armed; like others in the office he was initially defenseless.] ____ [Here is a third article, from page 1A of the Las Vegas Review- Journal, dated July 10 or 11, 1993.] [photo of Curt Kincer with Nevada Governor Bob Miller, credited to Jim Laurie/Review-Journal. Caption reads:] Police credit Curt Kincer, getting a pat on the back Friday from Gov. Bob Miller, with preventing a massacre at a state office building by shooting a gunman. The State Industrial Insurance System is bringing in uniformed and armed security guards to assist Kinser, who has been the building's sole daytime security officer. SIIS beefs up its security Officers are armed after a gunman shoots up the offices of the state workers' compensation agency. By Mary Hynes Review-Journal Plainclothed and unarmed, security chief Curt Kincer served as the sole protector of employees and visitors at the workers' compensation system of- fices in Las Vegas. In November, it was this former Las Vegas police officer who stopped a benefits claimant who had hurdled a counter and grabbed an employee by the neck. It was Kincer who earlier this year restrained a man who en- tered the office with a concealed knife. And it was Kincer who on Thursday shot a gunman in the forehead. The man, Jim H. Forrester, had steam- rolled the building's entryway in his Chevrolet Suburban and continued down a corridor firing shotgun rounds. As the shooting started, Kincer broke into a locked filing cabinet to grab a nightwatchman's pistol, and then exchanged gunfire with Forrester. No one was wounded but Forrester, a 57-year-old electrician who recently lost his workers' compensation bene- fits. Friday, Kincer's solo operation abruptly ended, as armed and uni- formed security guards were brought in to prevent a recurrence of the previ- ous afternoon's terror. The presence of armed guards will be a lasting one, said Jim Spinello, assis- tant general manager of the State In- dustrial Insurance System, and just one of the changes to result from the mayhem that left employees uninjured but terrified. "This broke the ice," sad 24-year- old employee Eleise Marci, who fears copycat incidents from those who don't understand employees want to help them. Some employees interviewed Friday said that despite regular death threats and bomb scares, they have generally felt safe at work. Yet all along, they suggested they have been unusually vulnerable be- cause they deal with people who are out of work, in pain and, in some in- stances, on medication. Unflattering media coverage of the agency has added- ed to the volatile mix. Kincer said Friday that it now makes sense to use armed security guards, both to assuage employees fears and to provide additional securi- ty. [page break:] Please see SECURITY/3A [photo of truck inside smashed office, credited to Wayne C. Kodey/Review-Journal, with caption:] A Las Vegas Metropolitan Police officer removes debris from around a truck that had been driven into the SIIS offices Thursday. The truck's owner, Jim H. Forrester, was taken into custody after being shot by a security officer, who had to rip open a locker to get a gun. But he said that if he had car- ried a weapon, it could have been wrested from him. Because of the slim buffer between the public and workers, a hostage situation then could have been created. "There have been times when it would have been nice," he said about carrying a gun. "But using a weapon is the last resort. I'm not a gun fanatic anyway. I've knuckled it out with people here before." Spinello said the agency had been planning to strengthen the physical barrier between employ- ees and public, which is now little more than a counter top. Before it takes permanent mea- sures, the agency will consult with security experts on how to reinforce the entrance to the building and other issues. It also will look at creating new exits. Some employees knocked out windows Thursday to escape from the gunman's path. "This building is designed to be user-friendly," Spinello said about the 8-year-old structure. "It was not designed, frankly, to deal with security issues and issues that exist unfortunately in the 1990s." A recent analysis by the San Francisco Examiner shows that one in five workplace deaths in California in 1991 was a homi- cide. The workers's compensation sys- tem also will be issuing security and identification badges to em- ployees, Spinello said, a measure previously rejected by the agen- cy's governing board as too ex- pensive. The agency also may re-evalu- aye how it responds to threats. Forrester's attorney, Howard Needham, said he had informed chief of benefits Jackie Reddaway four to six weeks ago that his client made threats against the agency. "He wanted to kill himself and he said, 'If I do, I want to take some of them with me,'" Need- ham said. Spinello said that serious death threats are reported to Las Vegas police for investigation, adding there is no written policy on han- dling threats. But he said Reddaway had not told him of a conversation with Needham. "We get those kind of things every day," said Edward Higgin- botham, assistant to the assistant general manager. "Attorneys call and say that, and we don't even share them (the threats) with each other because there are so many." Meanwhile, Bob Gagnier, exec- utive director of the State of Ne- vada Employees Association, has called for more security guards at other state offices. Furthermore, Gagnier said, "Because the Legislature, at the request of the governor, actually reduced industrial insurance benefits, we can probably look forward to more incidents as in- jured workers realize the changes which have been made." Some employees said that pos- sibly more important than beef- ing up security is improving the agency's public image. "We're normal people here," Marci said. "We're here to help them. We have families. We have homes." But she added, "I wouldn't be surprised if this happens again." Review-Journal writer Jane Ann Morri- son contributed to this report. [end July 11 article] _____ [Here is the presumably later in time Final Home Edition version of the SIIS headline story.] Las Vegas Review-Journal July 9, 1993 Page 1A [Photo of handcuffed bad guy, blood covering his face, on gurney being put into ambulance and separate photo of his truck inside building & surrounded by smashed office furniture with caption:] A handcuffed Jim H. Forrester, above, who went on a shooting rampage Thursday at the Las Ve- gas offices of the state workers' compensation system, is loaded into an ambulance. He was in seri- ous condition after being wounded in the head by a security guard during a shootout at the State In- dustrial Insurance System building on West Charleston Boulevard. Forrester drove his Chevrolet Suburban, shown from above, through glass and wooden walls before running over desks, comput- ers and filing cabinets in SIIS of- fices. Terrified employees and claimants hid under desks and be- hind partitions during the shooting spree. Ed Higginbotham, an SIIS execu- tive, said he was in his second-floor office when he suddenly heard "guns firing and glass shattering. I herd the screams and I got on the phone and called 9 1 1." [photo credits: Jeff Schied (ambulance), Wayne C. Kodey (truck inside SIIS building), both photographers from the Review-Journal] Gunman targets SIIS Attacker wounded during rampage Employees and agency claimants escape from the Las Vegas building one man compared to a battle zone. By Natalie Patton and Jeff Burbank Review-Journal A man armed with four guns and a grudge plowed his sport utility vehicle through a front window of the state workers' compensation system offices in Las Vegas on Thursday and opened fire. The shooting ended when a bullet fired by a State Industrial Insurance System security officer struck the forehead of disgruntled claimant Jim H. Forres- ter, who recently had his SIIS benefits cancelled. No one else was wounded during the shooting spree, Las Vegas police said. The 57-year-old Forrester, his face covered with blood and his wrists locked in handcuffs, was wheeled past a nervous crowd into an ambulance waiting to take him to University Medical Center. He was listed in serious but stable condition follow- ing surgery Thursday night, hospital officials said. The wounded man was described as awake and talk- ing when he arrived at the hospital. Las Vegas police Deputy Chief John Sullivan said Forrester walked through the front door of the SIIS building at 1700 W. Charleston Blvd. about 3:40 p.m., fired a 12-guage shotgun blast into the wall and left. Before the gunman exited, witness Edward James said, Forrester yelled, "You've got two minutes to get out of the (expletive) building -- I'm not kidding." Sullivan said Forrester threatened the life of SIIS security chief Curt Kinser, a former Las Vegas police officer who attempted to disarm the gunman. Forres- ter then got into his gray 1990 Chevrolet Suburban and crashed it through glass and into the SIIS lobby. Forrester throttled his vehicle through thin wooden walls into SIIS offices and continued driving wildly and firing at walls and toward onlookers. He turned left into a hallway, plowing through desks and filing cabinets in a 250-foot path. The gunman momentarily came to a stop after ramming into a western wall, Sullivan said. The truck smashed into partitions, computers and potted trees before coming to a halt adjacent to the building's mail room and employee break room. Forrester then put the vehicle into reverse and started to drive back trough the hall when he was confronted by Kinser, who was lying prone, aiming a .38-caliber pistol at him. Sullivan said Forrester fired a shotgun and a .38- [sic: likely .380] caliber semiautomatic pistol numerous times at Kinser before the security officer shot him. "I fired three rounds. I had one round left when I hit him. I'm the luckiest son of a bitch you've ever met," said Kinser, who served for 17 years as a Metropoli- tan Police Department officer. James said that Kinser tried to reason with the gunman before shooting him. Kinser "saved the day on the whole operation," said Sullivan. "It was a fantastic act of bravery. I shudder to think what would have happened if this man was not stopped. "There would have been dead bodies around here, if it weren't for chief Kinser." As an SIIS rehabilitation counselor picked up For- [page break:] Please see SHOOTING/3A [photo of Kincer, credited to Wayne C. Kodey, with caption:] Security chief Curt Kinser leans on a desk Thurs- day night amid wreckage left by a gunman who drove through the Las Vegas SIIS office. Kinser, a former police officer, shot the man. rester's shotgun and held it on him until police arrived, about 400 SIIS employees were evacuated from the building. "It looks like a battle zone down there," SIIS Assistant General Manager Jim Spinello said after Forrester was led from the building. "Files, furn- iture, office equipment are laying all over, and there's a truck there." Police said Forrester's arms cache included two bandoleers strapped to his chest to hold ammuni- tion. Along with the shotgun and the .38-caliber handgun, Forrester had a rifle and a 9mm hand- gun. Sullivan said, "I've been working for Metro for 34 years ... I've seen mass murders, but I've never seen this much devastation and this many human lives in jeopardy." Ed Higginbotham, an SIIS executive, said, "I would say there were 15 shots. He came in with the truck, firing all over, from the lobby to the end of the hall. He was shooting at people." Higginbotham said he was in his second-floor office when he suddenly heard "guns firing and glass shattering. I heard the screams and I got on the phone and called 911." Spinello said, "The first thing we heard was a shot and then a blast. It was a miracle that no one was hurt." SIIS employees began screaming and running from the lobby after Forrester entered the building the first time. Some workers knocked out windows on the first floor rear of the building to get out. SIIS employee Craig Martin said he helped at least six fellow workers out a broken window before escaping. Some SIIS claims examiners, including a man in a wheelchair, were trapped for a few moments by the debris. A man with a heart condition, who was waiting for his wife, an SIIS employee, to finish work, was treated by paramedics at the scene. Forrester's distraught wife, Shirley, and a daughter, who arrived after the gunman was taken into custody, were treated at Valley Hospital Medi- cal Center, an ambulance service spokeswoman said. Four other people were taken to area hospitals. Two were treated for ankle injuries, another for chest pains and another for back injuries. "Apparently the actions of an SIIS employee in protecting his fellow workers were truly heroic," said Gov. Bob Miller, who plans to tour the offices today. SIIS General Manager James Kropid, who start- ed his job June 21, was in Carson City during the rampage and left for Las Vegas on Thursday after- noon to return to the office. Scott Young, SIIS general counsel, said Forres- ter, an electrician, "has a claim with us and several weeks ago there was a dispute." "We thought we had resolved it by working through his attorney," Young said. "Apparently we finaled (stopped) his compensation, found him no longer eligible for temporary total disability. That might have triggered it, but there has got to be something more." Dr. Donald Johnson, a SIIS psychologist, said Forrester was a five-year claimant with "a history of failed back surgery" and was "in constant pain." Genita Bogle, a neighbor of Forrester's for four years on Secretariat Lane near Eastern Avenue and Warm Springs Road, said, "All I know is he got injured at work and for as long and [sic] I lived here he wasn't able to work. I guess it was hard for him not working." Forrester used to gather fruit from the trees in the yard of his middle-class home and sell it, said Frances Agrellas, who has known the Forresters since 1979. "They don't bother anybody," Agrellas said. "They're just ordinary neighbors." A plate and screws have been placed in his back, which was broken several years ago while he was working, she said. He also requires constant medi- cation, she said. After the accident, he could not walk for a while and still has trouble moving around, she said. Neighbors also said Forrester's wife has been sick lately and has made several trips recently to the doctor. Forrester faces one attemped murder charge, but other charges will be added, police said. SIIS officials said very little damage had been done to its files and that the computer system escaped harm. Today's benefit checks will go out as scheduled, they said. Review-Journal writers Julie Welsh, Warren Bates and Jane Ann Morrison and Donrey Capital Bureau chief Ed Vogel contributed to this report. [end of headline article from Final Home Edition] [Note that this later version is better edited and spends more time humanizing the bad guy and de-emphasizing the actions of Kinser, who used a gun to stop the crime in progress. This suggests spin doctoring by the editors.] _____ Closing comments: Note that this Las Vegas SIIS story was NOT covered in the media to nearly the extent of the mass murders in San Francisco that happened one week before. The San Francisco murders are almost always repeated by the local and national media every time they bring up gun bans. Similarly, the media virtually ignored a restaurant mass killing that was prevented by a legally armed citizen in Anniston, Alabama. This happened soon after the mass murders at the Luby's restaurant in Kileen, Texas. The media used broad and dramatic coverage of the Texas murders to support magazine and gun bans, but virtually ignored the incident in Alabama. These defensive incidents are dramatic and newsworthy, yet the biased, anti-self-defense media chooses to ignore them, presumably because they show firearms use in a positive light and prove how arms in private hands stop mass murders. The self-discrediting, one-way media also chooses to ignore the experience of Florida where the murder rate has fallen about 40% following reform of firearms carry laws in 1987. Handgun Control, Inc. and their cronies in the anti-gun media predicted blood in the streets when legislation was signed into law requiring issuance of concealed carry permits to trained citizens with no mental or criminal history. LESS blood has flowed, yet there is virtually no mention of it in the media. They even fail to report that criminals probably targeted foreign tourists in Florida because crooks assumed they were unarmed. With more than 2% (200,000) of the eligible adult population of Florida armed, when was the last time you heard of a mass shooting there? It's amazing what *isn't* news.... Conclusions: 1. If people are getting their info on firearms from the mass media, they're being terribly misled. The media's coverage of firearms issues is overwhelmingly biased. For vasious reasons defensive uses of firearms, including everyday accounts, are underreported to the media and police. 2. If politicians want to do something meaningful about crime, they should implement the one form of gun control that's been shown to reduce murder: objectively-issued concealed carry permits. __ For more information on firearms issues, check out my ftp directory: portal.com:/pub/chan I've recently posted access info.